tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post111553746623177924..comments2023-10-29T11:50:25.742+02:00Comments on My Obiter Dicta: On Pesach, Mimetic Culture and the Renegade RebbetzinJeffrey R. Woolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11315625918870195028noreply@blogger.comBlogger4125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-1116215329782011252005-05-16T06:48:00.000+03:002005-05-16T06:48:00.000+03:00Jeffrey - R. Fishel Schachter is a relatively youn...Jeffrey - R. Fishel Schachter is a relatively young right wing Brooklyn Torah Vodaas type speaker. More Hassidish than say, R. Yisroel Reisman, but from same YTV background.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-1115616841629503192005-05-09T08:34:00.000+03:002005-05-09T08:34:00.000+03:00Fischel Schachter?Fischel Schachter?Jeffrey R. Woolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315625918870195028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-1115601814547788052005-05-09T04:23:00.000+03:002005-05-09T04:23:00.000+03:00Rabbi Fischel Schacter in his introductory shiur o...Rabbi Fischel Schacter in his introductory shiur on Maseches Berachos speaks about how the structure of any given maseches is counter-intuitive. Shabbos, for example, starts with very complex details around the melacha of carrying. In the list of 39 melachos, carrying is the last one listed. Chulin, starts with a discussion not what is shechita or its sources but who is eligible to perform shechita and so it is with most of the masechtos. We, Rav Shacter point out, would not organize a book or a lecture this way. We would start with a general proposition and then give the spiritual sources and somewhere in the appendix talk about the details. So why did Chazal set up the Mishna and the Gemorah that way?<BR/><BR/>The Chasom Sofer says that the reason this is so is because the essence of the Masorah was transferred from Rebbi to Talmid from Father/Mother to Son/Daughter by observation and experience. Chazal saw no need to write down the reasons for the mitzvos or how they were performed. These would be shown in the context of daily life. What needed to be written down were the very specific details that were getting lost and confused. The Chasom Sofer says this is why the Gemorah in Berachos says that it is of greater importance to serve talmidei chachamim than to learn torah. Because that is the essence of how the masorah is passed.<BR/><BR/>In fact, without this approach, it is very hard to understand three very strange incidents that are recorded at the end of Maseches Berachos where Ta’anim follow their rebeim into latrines and even to their bedrooms to learn how Torah gets applied to these very private areas of one’s life. Today, we are much more a sefer dependent society. Shiurim substitute for experiencing life. <BR/><BR/>The controversy around spending Pesach in hotels and not at home has been the subject of much heated debate in New York’s The Jewish Week. I am libertarian on this topic and people should be comfortable doing whatever they want to do. That being said, I do agree that in my opinion much more is lost than gained in not making Pesach at home. <BR/><BR/>The smell of a new tablecloth opened anytime during the year reminds me of Pesach. Sitting outside grating chrain and wondering if I could get away with using the food processor; showing my son how to hold the horseradish so as not to scrape your fingers; the first batch of Pesach cookies coming out of the oven; or running into everyone you know at the supermarket just before yom tov for the last minute things you are sure you bought but just can’t find. It is the excitement around the preparation that creates the lasting memories and inspires the questions.<BR/><BR/>In my opinion we put too much emphasis on the seder and the lamdanus to the exclusion of the experience. Rabbi Yochanan Zweig wrote that “the obligation of the Seder is not simply to impart information. It is to bond with our children. For only through bonding with their forebears will our children feel a true sense of connection with their heritage and their nation.” That to me means raw knuckles and long held memories.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-1115571440706760712005-05-08T19:57:00.000+03:002005-05-08T19:57:00.000+03:00Thank you for this insightful essay. I apologize ...Thank you for this insightful essay. I apologize if my virulent tone "scared" you off from commenting (as I think it did others as well); it's rare that I become so incensed that I can't hold it back from my writing, but the apodictic tone of Ms. Marcus's assertion that her way of doing things is of necessity more meaningful and valuable than anyone else's <I>could possibly be,</I> and the transparent bias and ignorance inherent not only in her assumption of why people do this, but that it is "the rabbis'" fault, touched a particularly raw nerve. I suspect my reaction would have been more restrained if these assertions had come from a different source, but as Ms. Marcus has in the past vilified "the rabbis" numerous times for "problems" she's decided exist, without providing a shred of support or any examples of what "they" have done to warrant said vilification, I continue to feel justified in my reaction.<BR/><BR/>My other primary complaint, as I said parenthetically in my post, is that Ms. Marcus has rarely before taken up the sword on behalf of the "traditional" method of doing things, without considering evolution of circumstances or of the needs of individual families. Her defense of choosing public school over yeshiva, for example, was primarily that this was the right choice for these particular children, and she stated that people should not blindly assume that yeshiva is always better, nor that a strong, solid Jewish education could not be provided in the home. I found it extremely telling that she was willing to engage in this argument when she felt "the road not taken" was right for her family, but when breaking with our collective tradition is done in an area that she does not agree with, then suddenly it is a communal "problem" that "the rabbis" have caused and must fix. <BR/><BR/>(Not to mention that I personally find it simply <I>astounding</I> that an Orthodox family should think it's more important to a child's Jewish upbringing that they make Pesach at home than it is to send the child to a yeshiva. If we say it depends on the child and the home, well then, can't the decision of where and in what way to celebrate Pesach also vary from case to case?)<BR/><BR/>The loss of the mimetic tradition is indeed lamentable in many regards, and I as well shudder at the amount of money being poured into material extravagances when there are so many better uses for it. But the notion that Pesach hotels are a "problem" that is the fault of "the rabbis" is offensive to me in all its particulars.<BR/><BR/>Thank you again for reading, and I do hope you comment in the future in cases where I am able to control myself.<BR/><BR/>Chodesh tov,<BR/>RenRebRenegade Rebbetzinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15938184782971400341noreply@blogger.com