tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post2270006915306200424..comments2023-10-29T11:50:25.742+02:00Comments on My Obiter Dicta: Dabber Ivrit ve-HivretaJeffrey R. Woolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11315625918870195028noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-3602671433615596562011-11-16T20:07:39.485+02:002011-11-16T20:07:39.485+02:00Good post and good point. Things aren't all t...Good post and good point. Things aren't all that gloomy, however. The children of these olim will go to Israeli schools, serve in Tzahal, and so the next generation will join Israeli society more completely than their parents. In the meantime, I'm sure you agree that (in the words of Rav Meir David Kahane), "better an American ghetto in Israel than a Jewish ghetto in America.'Mordechai Y. Scherhttp://www.kolberamah.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-24525636836300870872011-11-16T11:00:54.227+02:002011-11-16T11:00:54.227+02:00I am an Oleh Chadash and extremely happy in my alm...I am an Oleh Chadash and extremely happy in my almost completely american neighborhood!! I happen to know very very good Hebrew, spoken and written, but Israeli society scares me and I usually do not like to take part in it. I am very comfortable with my American style needs and culture and am blessed to be able to sustain it here. I don't think there is any benefit to mixing in with Israelis more than needed. If you ask me why I am here then, I will answer because this is my homeland and I feel completely different here. I don't see what that has to do with mixing in with Israeli society and culture.DBhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16806701543173511556noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-69292410569805914492011-11-14T14:00:26.244+02:002011-11-14T14:00:26.244+02:00...another example from the middle ages: the moreh......another example from the middle ages: the moreh nevuchim. had it never been translated it would never have lasted, true. but it began in arabic.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-14003226676223964212011-11-14T04:19:39.095+02:002011-11-14T04:19:39.095+02:00mostly agree.
but it has been my experience that a...mostly agree.<br />but it has been my experience that a-s olim come either from the top or bottom of socioeconomic north america, and are not necessarily richer, more educated, or even m.o. you generalize.<br />i can be mochel the parents their fear and need to be comfortable [even as i think you did it the best way...], as long as they integrate their kids.<br />and it is another israeli canard that only things in hebrew last, and all others fall by the wayside. this is simplistic. example: artscroll gemaras, written in english, set the stage for the ubiquitous hebrew 'schottenshtein.' whether this phenomenon is good for the jews or bad for the jews is a question we can debate a different time, but it seems the phenomenon will be with us for some time, and has changed the face of learning.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-81016427287776183032011-11-13T23:14:04.241+02:002011-11-13T23:14:04.241+02:00"One thing is certain... If it's not in H...<i>"One thing is certain... If it's not in Hebrew, it will have no future."</i><br /><br />Tell that to the legions of American חוזרים בתשובה who, 20 years later, remain dependent on their Artscroll translations.<br /><br />When I began learning at Yeshivat Aish HaTorah, over 30 years ago, Rav Noach Weinberg זצ"ל used to say: "Don't learn <i>about</i> it, learn <i>it!</i>"; and, in keeping with this, had us studying the Mishne Torah of Rambam. Rav Noach chose the "Rambam l'Am" version, from Mosad HaRav Kook, but after six months we had abandoned the vowelized text... having Hebrew, we were like airline passengers, with "permission to move freely about the cabin area".<br /><br />Artscroll (and other) translations retard learning and, in the worst case, are "gateway drugs" to lighter-weight versions of Judaism.JBHorenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07403369078267809626noreply@blogger.com