tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post3446140368078582184..comments2023-10-29T11:50:25.742+02:00Comments on My Obiter Dicta: A Chanukkah Thought (I)Jeffrey R. Woolfhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/11315625918870195028noreply@blogger.comBlogger3125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-72040911258232217342007-11-27T10:47:00.000+02:002007-11-27T10:47:00.000+02:00Shadrach, Mesach, amd Abed-Nego also would indicat...Shadrach, Mesach, amd Abed-Nego also would indicate that there was an earlier tradition of Yehrago Ve'al Yaavor.<BR/><BR/>The language of the gemara regardin the ruling in Natscheh's house indicates that it was not an open and shut decision. There was a vote. While we do not necessarily know what all of the minority opinions were, it is not unreasonabel to suggest that there were those who held the view that Shabbat was also Yeharog Ve'al Yaavor. Let's not forget that the Hasmonean revolt was at the end of five generations of COMPLETE Sadducce domination of the Sanhedrin (which is why Hazal dount count those years in the years of the bayit). The single view perspective of Torah Shebbal Peh from Ezra, Shimon Hatzadik and Antiginus of Socho was long gone. Things weren't clear. I would be surprised had there NOT been a group that had a different mesorahBen Bayithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10540723595738423002noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-24003509541393300052007-11-27T09:49:00.000+02:002007-11-27T09:49:00.000+02:00You're right. The problem is why they didn't think...You're right. The problem is why they didn't think Pikkuah Nefesh trumps Shabbat.Jeffrey R. Woolfhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11315625918870195028noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-8030144.post-84270793048185716692007-11-26T22:11:00.000+02:002007-11-26T22:11:00.000+02:00Appropos of Chanuka, the story in the book of Maca...Appropos of Chanuka, the story in the book of Macabees concerning the Jews who refused to fight in shabbat in order not to violate the shabbat would seem to indicate that there was indeed some earlier tradition of yeharog veal yaavor concerning at least certain other mitzvot, and that the later ruling in Natshe's House in Lod restricted this principle further than what may have been commonly accepted by earlier rulings.<BR/>It's certainly food for further thought.....<BR/><BR/>But I like the thrust of your pieceBen Bayithttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10540723595738423002noreply@blogger.com