1. Your view is that “American non-Orthodox Jews are being largely misled” on the conversion bill. What is it that they don't understand?
an explicit Supreme Court decision. The bill in no way excludes any Diaspora Jew from Israeli citizenship, or from his/her rightful place in the Jewish State.
The Rotem bill is intended to alleviate a domestic Israeli problem. Personal status issues in
The Rotem bill significantly expands the circle of rabbis who are authorized to deal with conversion, in accordance with traditional Halakhah. Most importantly, it reinforces the authority of the special courts for conversion that were set up independently of the established Battei Din. It also prohibits the revocation of any conversion performed by a duly authorized Bet Din in Israel. This will hopefully break the conversion log jam, and allow Russian immigrants, and others, to convert to Judaism in a way that will be accepted by the overwhelming majority of the Jews of Israel.
2. Misled by whom - and what is the purpose of misleading them?
Prominent non-Orthodox rabbis have been refreshingly honest in this regard. Rabbi David Ellenson, a noted historian of Halakhah and president of the
The tragedy is that by adopting this position, in the present circumstances, the non-Orthodox streams are playing into the hands of the obstructionists, who also oppose the bill. They will, thereby, undermine a brave attempt to advance a moderate, welcoming and open approach to conversion in
3. Don't you see any problem with a bill officially declaring that "authority" over conversion will be an authority of the rabbinate? And even if you don't - can you understand why other people might see it as problematic?
Giving the Chief Rabbinate authority over conversion causes me concern, and I certainly see it as potentially problematic. I am convinced, though, that this does not vitiate the very positive contribution that this law will make. The many rabbis and leaders who desire to resolve the anomaly of Israeli Jews who are not halakhically Jewish will certainly do everything to prevent obstructionist elements within the Chief Rabbinate from undoing its salutary effect. There is, after all, a limit to the degree that the Chief Rabbinate can interfere with the extant conversion structure. Furthermore, it should be kept in mind that the Sephardic Chief Rabbi, Shlomo Amar, has been very supportive of the moderates.
4. Do you think world Jewry should have a say on such matters, concerning
This is a very thorny question. I agree with David Ben-Gurion’s commitment that
I think we can take our cue, in this regard, from the era of the
In that light, we need to face the fact that there is a significant disconnect between the way many (if not most) non-Orthodox Diaspora Jews define Judaism and their relationship to it. American Jews are characterized by a Post-Modern, absolute individualism. Most, as a result, bristle at the very idea that any person or institution can decide who is or who is not Jewish. On the other hand, the over 80% of Israeli Jews who describe themselves as either Orthodox or Traditional (including many Israeli Conservative Jews) see things very differently. Their conception of Judaism is not totally subjective, and their obligation to the Jewish people, as a whole, and their strong connection to Jewish collective history and memory is obligating and formative.
In other words, here, the seamless combination of Jewish nationhood and Judaism, which has characterized Judaism from time immemorial, is very much alive. As a result, conversion is not simply a matter of religious self-expression.
The late Professor Jacob Katz noted that only two issues can create a real schism in the Jewish body politic: Personal Status and the Calendar. Differences concerning Shabbat, Kashrut, prayer, or anything else, divide Jews, but do not tear them asunder. Once the ethnic-tribal fabric of the nation is frayed, once they are no longer able to unquestionably marry one another – an extremely dangerous situation develops. As an historian, and not simply as an observant Jew, it is my conviction that this societal unity, what we call ‘be-yahad,’ is a critical element for our survival. It is, in many ways, more critical than the quality of arms and material with which we equip our army. That is why I believe that personal status issues in the Jewish State must be based upon a halakhic common denominator, as traditionally understood. At the same time, I maintain, in the strongest terms, that moderate and wide parameters that millennia of halakhic tradition does provide, must be actively applied in matters of conversion.
5. In your view, should
As I write these lines, the media has reported that Prime Minster Netanyahu has tabled the Rotem Bill for six months. I hope that this time-out will be used to reach common ground on this very sensitive issue.
I pray that all involved will work together to transcend their differences to arrive at an acceptable resolution of the issue.
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There was very limited space to comment in the JP, here is what I said but I would like to add a few words:
"The Rotem bill came along at a particularly bad time re sensitivities in the diaspora. Many of the opponents of the bill also mentioned the recent events at the Kotel, e.g. Anat Hoffman, as correlated examples of how the haredi are aiming to destroy non Haredi approaches to Judaism. Many of us have had children and wives who were subjected to abuse and violence in Israel at the hands of the Haredi. This doesn't mean we seek autonomy from Jewish law, but rather we seek leadership from those who interpret Jewish law in a way appropriate for our times."
So as important and threatening the conversion issue is, I don't believe that this is just about autonomy (and in this regard I believe that the Reform use of patrimony is a horrible thing and threat, at least equivalent to haredi control). But issues involving women have become crucial to many of us here in North America. This even involves Orthodox with recent "scandals" re Rabba (e.g speaking in Long Island), re Youing Israel and women presidents of Orthodox shuls (Shaarei Torah in Syracuse), and even women as board members as in the Bialystock shul in the lower east side. The Haredi should be encouraged to follow their path, but not when it interferes with the development of Judaism by the rest of us. We seek help from Israel in fighting assimiliation and intermarraige and for many of us we see maximizing opportunities for all of our children as a no brainer -- as a keep weapon in this struggle. Terrorist attacks have not kept us from sending our children to Israel, but attacks from the Haredi could well end up doing that. This is what, in my opinion, the struggle is all about, and the Rotem bill is just one battle.
Regarding the intro: "honored to be one of Shmuel Rosner's interviewees". The first blog of Rosner's that I read was about the purchase of "Beit Hashalom" next to Kiryat Arba. It was filled with hatred and misinformation from beginning to end. It may be useful to have him interview you - but "an honor"? Save your honor for more honorable people.
"This even involves Orthodox with recent "scandals" re Rabba (e.g speaking in Long Island), re Youing Israel and women presidents of Orthodox shuls (Shaarei Torah in Syracuse), and even women as board members as in the Bialystock shul in the lower east side. "
These issues are at most trivial-one way or the other-title you give a women-meaningless on both sides-BUT the deligitimization of thousands of Orthodox Jews and the onas Hager of those who converted with good faith and now decades later one says that issue is not as important as the title that Sara Hurwitz uses give me a break.
Jeffrey, I've a question and it is really my one concern about the Rotem bill as it currently stands (I also understand why the non-orthodox are reacting the way they are --it was certainly my first reaction --but slowly, slowly, one step at a time).
My concern with placing the authority over conversion with the Rabbinate is that who can say over time that similar mores won't be adopted by the Rabbinate as a whole as we currently see with the extremists who are revoking conversions after decades and so forth? The rulings and the thinking they are applying seem utterly divorced from historical precedent. The closest thing I can think of would be the focus on the minutiae of pilpul that was in vogue in the period just prior to the rise of the Besht. Utterly alienating.
But my concern is a) why have these extremist interpretations arisen now and b) how can we know that those views will not eventually take over/be adopted by the Rabbinate? And then what is the recourse?
Jeffrey, did you actually read the bill? The chief rabbinate (read haredi chief rabbinate) can, with the stroke of a pen, "unentitle" any rabbi they feel should not be performing conversions. Any new bill must take away control of conversions and return it to the people. Any three dati Jews can perform a conversion. Why is it it being controlled by the rabbinate?
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